1 00:00:15,980 --> 00:00:21,240 it's getting stopped right now 2 00:00:38,010 --> 00:00:24,670 improvisation and anomalies in music and 3 00:00:42,690 --> 00:00:40,310 I thought I would play for a few seconds 4 00:00:43,950 --> 00:00:42,700 you know some as soon as I walked into 5 00:00:45,780 --> 00:00:43,960 this hall I realize that the flugelhorn 6 00:01:10,680 --> 00:00:45,790 is gonna sound incredible here so I 7 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:10,690 could not I could not resist it's okay 8 00:01:22,130 --> 00:01:16,690 to applause if you keep plus I didn't 9 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:22,140 have anything as juicy as ayahuasca or 10 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:27,490 lucid dreaming orgasm so I thought okay 11 00:01:35,780 --> 00:01:34,210 okay great well I thought I'd start by 12 00:01:38,790 --> 00:01:35,790 talking a little bit about what I do I 13 00:01:41,609 --> 00:01:38,800 technically I'm a professor of music as 14 00:01:46,169 --> 00:01:41,619 Tom mentioned and so I'm qualified to 15 00:01:49,710 --> 00:01:46,179 talk about jazz and what's interesting 16 00:01:51,570 --> 00:01:49,720 is that there's a colleague's that 17 00:01:54,210 --> 00:01:51,580 outside of music are unaware of the fact 18 00:01:58,020 --> 00:01:54,220 that a musical study is largely oriented 19 00:01:59,999 --> 00:01:58,030 towards classical music so jazz 20 00:02:01,949 --> 00:02:00,009 departments even though this is America 21 00:02:04,590 --> 00:02:01,959 jazz apartments are sort of you know 22 00:02:08,100 --> 00:02:04,600 outlying areas and so when you if you go 23 00:02:09,449 --> 00:02:08,110 to jazz education conventions and I know 24 00:02:10,949 --> 00:02:09,459 this is going to kind of ring true in a 25 00:02:14,130 --> 00:02:10,959 sense if you transpose it to your area 26 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:14,140 we have often thousands of people 27 00:02:18,930 --> 00:02:16,450 dealing with this kind of thing all over 28 00:02:20,699 --> 00:02:18,940 the world commiserating about life at 29 00:02:24,559 --> 00:02:20,709 the edge as a jazz musician you know 30 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:24,569 teaching music and a largely classical 31 00:02:31,350 --> 00:02:29,170 field and and I realized you know you 32 00:02:33,420 --> 00:02:31,360 know those of us do those of you dealing 33 00:02:37,620 --> 00:02:33,430 with in the sciences with anomalies you 34 00:02:40,530 --> 00:02:37,630 have this the same thing about in the 35 00:02:42,270 --> 00:02:40,540 last 10 years or so a very discernible 36 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:42,280 movement in higher education to bring 37 00:02:48,690 --> 00:02:45,730 meditation practices into the classroom 38 00:02:50,220 --> 00:02:48,700 has been has been seen and I've been 39 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:50,230 somewhat involved in this kind of thing 40 00:02:54,059 --> 00:02:52,450 too so when I go to Mike when I go to 41 00:02:56,460 --> 00:02:54,069 jazz conventions I say hey listen I get 42 00:02:59,039 --> 00:02:56,470 to commiserate on on three fronts now 43 00:03:02,430 --> 00:02:59,049 not just one and it's been a very 44 00:03:03,900 --> 00:03:02,440 interesting kind of experience and you 45 00:03:06,860 --> 00:03:03,910 know what's what's really fascinating 46 00:03:10,350 --> 00:03:06,870 about it is that in all of these areas 47 00:03:13,830 --> 00:03:10,360 if you look to the roots of the respect 48 00:03:15,630 --> 00:03:13,840 of knowledge traditions what what things 49 00:03:19,259 --> 00:03:15,640 are the areas that are sort of treated 50 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:19,269 as anomalous are actually practices or 51 00:03:23,309 --> 00:03:21,370 areas that were core to the respective 52 00:03:25,140 --> 00:03:23,319 knowledge traditions for instance in the 53 00:03:28,229 --> 00:03:25,150 European classical tradition Mozart and 54 00:03:30,809 --> 00:03:28,239 Brahms and Chopin and Liszt and mainly 55 00:03:33,300 --> 00:03:30,819 the you know like it just a two or three 56 00:03:34,979 --> 00:03:33,310 hundred years ago the most of the 57 00:03:38,030 --> 00:03:34,989 musicians in in that tradition were 58 00:03:41,309 --> 00:03:38,040 improvisers and now in in musical study 59 00:03:43,740 --> 00:03:41,319 improvisation is anomalous in a sense 60 00:03:44,699 --> 00:03:43,750 it's not that word is not used so very 61 00:03:47,940 --> 00:03:44,709 interesting and when you look at 62 00:03:50,460 --> 00:03:47,950 meditation you know even in even in the 63 00:03:51,990 --> 00:03:50,470 Western intellectual tradition I think 64 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:52,000 there's increasing awareness coming up 65 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:55,690 now that the you know going back to the 66 00:03:59,670 --> 00:03:58,090 Greeks that that you know that whole 67 00:04:00,839 --> 00:03:59,680 philosophy culture dition was very much 68 00:04:02,819 --> 00:04:00,849 I get not just an intellectual 69 00:04:06,330 --> 00:04:02,829 philosophical tradition but a Content 70 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:06,340 that if a content of tradition and 71 00:04:09,509 --> 00:04:08,290 Pierre had those happens to be a 72 00:04:11,309 --> 00:04:09,519 philosopher who's been writing about 73 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:11,319 this quite a bit that you might know of 74 00:04:17,310 --> 00:04:15,250 and then this whole idea of anomalies 75 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:17,320 which you know it's a very you know we 76 00:04:22,529 --> 00:04:19,090 sort of create these categories around 77 00:04:24,270 --> 00:04:22,539 things that seem to be you know on the 78 00:04:26,250 --> 00:04:24,280 fringes but the fringes are in 79 00:04:29,460 --> 00:04:26,260 relationship to kind of perspective in 80 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:29,470 itself I mean so what we saw is when you 81 00:04:32,969 --> 00:04:30,970 look deeper into the tradition of 82 00:04:35,730 --> 00:04:32,979 scientific inquiry there I think there 83 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:35,740 was a much more kind of robust 84 00:04:43,500 --> 00:04:38,050 receptivity to or towards things that 85 00:04:44,790 --> 00:04:43,510 are considered anomalous so there's in 86 00:04:47,370 --> 00:04:44,800 recent years has been kind of a 87 00:04:51,089 --> 00:04:47,380 resurgence of interest in improvisation 88 00:04:53,490 --> 00:04:51,099 not just in music but in a wide variety 89 00:04:56,820 --> 00:04:53,500 of fields and I think of improvisation 90 00:04:57,990 --> 00:04:56,830 is kind of a you know the surface of 91 00:04:59,940 --> 00:04:58,000 different kinds of improvising 92 00:05:02,510 --> 00:04:59,950 improvisation would appear quite 93 00:05:05,790 --> 00:05:02,520 different from one another 94 00:05:07,980 --> 00:05:05,800 musicians we create sounds you know 95 00:05:09,089 --> 00:05:07,990 Binet business entrepreneurs are dealing 96 00:05:10,770 --> 00:05:09,099 with sort of you know marketing 97 00:05:11,969 --> 00:05:10,780 strategies and that sort of thing but 98 00:05:14,459 --> 00:05:11,979 when we look at this sort of the inner 99 00:05:16,589 --> 00:05:14,469 workings of the improvisational 100 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:16,599 experience especially as evidenced in 101 00:05:22,980 --> 00:05:19,810 peak episodes that we see a considerable 102 00:05:24,420 --> 00:05:22,990 common ground between these modes of 103 00:05:28,459 --> 00:05:24,430 creativity and I think of improvisation 104 00:05:30,719 --> 00:05:28,469 its kind of a core creative awareness 105 00:05:33,390 --> 00:05:30,729 heightened a moment-to-moment conception 106 00:05:35,550 --> 00:05:33,400 freedom from conditioning communion with 107 00:05:37,380 --> 00:05:35,560 surroundings heightened receptivity to 108 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:37,390 new developments and I'll go into this 109 00:05:41,909 --> 00:05:40,690 in a little bit more that in music we 110 00:05:44,250 --> 00:05:41,919 don't really use the term anomaly 111 00:05:46,980 --> 00:05:44,260 anomaly so much but I mean that parallel 112 00:05:49,379 --> 00:05:46,990 is clear there is sort of in these 113 00:05:51,270 --> 00:05:49,389 heightened States and I'm sure that the 114 00:05:53,909 --> 00:05:51,280 great sign that you know they like to 115 00:05:55,740 --> 00:05:53,919 see the artists scientists and you know 116 00:05:57,300 --> 00:05:55,750 creative practitioners in many fields 117 00:05:59,940 --> 00:05:57,310 kind of tapped into the same thing where 118 00:06:02,610 --> 00:05:59,950 new developments that kind of challenged 119 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:02,620 you know existing norms would not regard 120 00:06:06,450 --> 00:06:04,570 they were they were regarded with the 121 00:06:07,890 --> 00:06:06,460 sort of the sense of judgment that that 122 00:06:09,930 --> 00:06:07,900 kind of prevails in a more ordinary 123 00:06:11,850 --> 00:06:09,940 state of consciousness there I think 124 00:06:14,010 --> 00:06:11,860 when we get into this height creative 125 00:06:16,469 --> 00:06:14,020 state or improv is the Tauri state what 126 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:16,479 regardless of feel that there's a 127 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:19,810 cognitive stuff a more fluid engagement 128 00:06:24,959 --> 00:06:22,090 with whatever objects of perception that 129 00:06:26,940 --> 00:06:24,969 we're dealing with so in a certainly in 130 00:06:29,010 --> 00:06:26,950 music you know the idea of sort of 131 00:06:31,500 --> 00:06:29,020 radical departures from the norm sort of 132 00:06:32,519 --> 00:06:31,510 in that improv Tory state it's you know 133 00:06:35,159 --> 00:06:32,529 for improvisers 134 00:06:37,709 --> 00:06:35,169 you know it's kind of like you know it's 135 00:06:40,830 --> 00:06:37,719 a much lower stakes kind of variation 136 00:06:42,180 --> 00:06:40,840 from the norm you might say and so there 137 00:06:46,290 --> 00:06:42,190 may be insights from musical 138 00:06:47,580 --> 00:06:46,300 improvisation that to be gained in that 139 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:47,590 can be applied to other fields in 140 00:06:54,029 --> 00:06:51,610 particularly science now here's a few 141 00:06:56,159 --> 00:06:54,039 here's a few quotes this is one of my 142 00:06:58,110 --> 00:06:56,169 favorite ones from jazz so even even 143 00:07:00,230 --> 00:06:58,120 you know there's is it possible that 144 00:07:02,820 --> 00:07:00,240 there are anomalies within anomalies 145 00:07:04,860 --> 00:07:02,830 such as is anomalous in the broader 146 00:07:06,450 --> 00:07:04,870 spectrum of musical study and then even 147 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:06,460 within jazz we have what we call the 148 00:07:11,129 --> 00:07:09,370 Jazz Wars I don't know if you have 149 00:07:14,399 --> 00:07:11,139 things like that in science but I'm sure 150 00:07:16,290 --> 00:07:14,409 I'm sure you different and so this is 151 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:16,300 from Andre oh dear each of us has been a 152 00:07:19,679 --> 00:07:18,490 classifier and when you get to any time 153 00:07:21,390 --> 00:07:19,689 you get to the word jazz here you can 154 00:07:22,980 --> 00:07:21,400 just put it put in the word science and 155 00:07:24,839 --> 00:07:22,990 yield there we have liked a certain 156 00:07:26,999 --> 00:07:24,849 quality and a certain kind of jazz a 157 00:07:29,189 --> 00:07:27,009 certain kind of science and this is this 158 00:07:32,550 --> 00:07:29,199 is if another kind lacks that quality 159 00:07:36,330 --> 00:07:32,560 our reflex may be to exclude it from the 160 00:07:38,339 --> 00:07:36,340 world of jazz we need to be protected 161 00:07:39,749 --> 00:07:38,349 and be assured familiar sound or 162 00:07:42,749 --> 00:07:39,759 surroundings are the best shield against 163 00:07:44,189 --> 00:07:42,759 fear we wear which a preventive war you 164 00:07:46,439 --> 00:07:44,199 all know what that is destroying the 165 00:07:48,659 --> 00:07:46,449 enemy before he can destroy us anything 166 00:07:50,249 --> 00:07:48,669 that can't be immediately assimilated 167 00:07:52,619 --> 00:07:50,259 already familiar and admired Merle is 168 00:07:54,329 --> 00:07:52,629 destroyed before it can affect our 169 00:07:58,260 --> 00:07:54,339 sensibility in any way and you know I 170 00:07:59,909 --> 00:07:58,270 was actually frantically looking for now 171 00:08:01,409 --> 00:07:59,919 sort of parallels in science and I 172 00:08:03,089 --> 00:08:01,419 couldn't find anything I know you have 173 00:08:06,089 --> 00:08:03,099 them where you have this militaristic 174 00:08:07,260 --> 00:08:06,099 sort of reaction to anomalous sort of 175 00:08:11,010 --> 00:08:07,270 things but I just picked up Dean 176 00:08:13,950 --> 00:08:11,020 Raiden's two books ago I guess now and 177 00:08:15,899 --> 00:08:13,960 found a few things my opinion concerning 178 00:08:17,249 --> 00:08:15,909 the findings of parapsychologists is 179 00:08:21,170 --> 00:08:17,259 that many of them are dependent on 180 00:08:23,999 --> 00:08:21,180 clerical statistical errors in fraud and 181 00:08:25,379 --> 00:08:24,009 this is a kind of a juicy one too if 182 00:08:26,519 --> 00:08:25,389 such results are correct we might as 183 00:08:28,589 --> 00:08:26,529 well turn the National Institute of 184 00:08:31,769 --> 00:08:28,599 Standards technology into a casino in 185 00:08:33,719 --> 00:08:31,779 our physics classes into seances I don't 186 00:08:38,790 --> 00:08:33,729 know if we have now we have division for 187 00:08:43,939 --> 00:08:38,800 sure and music but I guess not quite 188 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:43,949 like that so let's go into a little bit 189 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:46,570 what you might call the inner mechanics 190 00:08:51,269 --> 00:08:48,490 of the improvisation anomalies 191 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:51,279 relationship I have this thing called by 192 00:08:56,100 --> 00:08:54,610 the artist paradox which is it can 193 00:08:58,530 --> 00:08:56,110 really be applied to just about any 194 00:09:00,300 --> 00:08:58,540 field where you'd have you have the 195 00:09:02,370 --> 00:09:00,310 necessity to develop the craft in your 196 00:09:04,970 --> 00:09:02,380 field you have to you know what music we 197 00:09:07,189 --> 00:09:04,980 call our chops and to develop 198 00:09:08,269 --> 00:09:07,199 laughter you have to and I think music 199 00:09:10,939 --> 00:09:08,279 and sports are actually particularly 200 00:09:13,069 --> 00:09:10,949 vivid in this way you have to practice 201 00:09:15,199 --> 00:09:13,079 every day in many hours a day over years 202 00:09:17,269 --> 00:09:15,209 and you kind of internalize certain you 203 00:09:19,519 --> 00:09:17,279 know kind of your skill set at the same 204 00:09:21,769 --> 00:09:19,529 time there's a price tag that comes with 205 00:09:23,710 --> 00:09:21,779 that and what is that that is there's an 206 00:09:28,150 --> 00:09:23,720 inherent tendencies towards conditioned 207 00:09:31,579 --> 00:09:28,160 patterns that inhibit creativity inhibit 208 00:09:36,230 --> 00:09:31,589 spontaneity inhibit the ability to be 209 00:09:39,199 --> 00:09:36,240 able to engage in a given moment sort of 210 00:09:44,259 --> 00:09:39,209 just on the in that terms of that moment 211 00:09:46,759 --> 00:09:44,269 without all these attachments to past 212 00:09:51,670 --> 00:09:46,769 behaviors and in future sort of 213 00:09:53,810 --> 00:09:51,680 expectations so how is the paradox 214 00:09:57,259 --> 00:09:53,820 resolved in an expanded state of